Themistocles leads by 4.9 pts · 2 figures compared

Politician · Ancient

Politician · Ancient
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Chen Qun proposed the Nine-rank system for civil service appointments to Cao Pi, the first emperor of Wei. This system ranked candidates based on family background and personal merit, replacing the earlier recommendation system and becoming the standard for official selection in China for centuries.
Chen Qun assisted Cao Pi in drafting the new legal code for the Wei dynasty. He advocated for clearer laws and more consistent punishments, contributing to the legal framework that helped stabilize Wei's early rule.
Chen Qun was appointed Minister over the Masses (Sikong) under Emperor Cao Rui of Wei. In this high-ranking position, he oversaw civil administration and continued to refine the implementation of the Nine-rank system, solidifying its role in Wei governance.
Themistocles persuaded the Athenian assembly to use silver from the Laurion mines to build a fleet of 200 triremes. This naval expansion transformed Athens into a major maritime power and was crucial for the victory at Salamis.
Themistocles commanded the Greek navy against the Persian fleet at Salamis. He lured the Persians into the narrow straits, where the Greek ships destroyed the larger Persian fleet. This victory ended the Persian threat to Greece and preserved Greek independence.
Themistocles was ostracized by the Athenian assembly, likely due to political rivalries and accusations of arrogance. He went into exile, first to Argos, then to Persia, where he was received by King Artaxerxes I.
After his ostracism, Themistocles fled to Persia and offered his services to King Artaxerxes I. He was granted governorship of Magnesia and other cities in Asia Minor, where he lived until his death. This act was seen as treason by many Athenians.
陈群简直是官僚主义的祖师爷!九品中正制听着高大上,实际上就是给豪门世袭特权开了合法后门。比起狄米斯托克利在萨拉米斯海战前用诡计骗波斯舰队进入狭窄海峡的军事天才,陈群只会坐在案牍前慢慢磨制度,结果拖垮了魏晋的活力。一个用刀剑赌国运,一个用笔墨锁阶层,高下立判。
Themistocles was a gambler who risked everything on naval victory at Salamis—a high-stakes bluff that paid off. Chen Qun? A glorified HR manager who invented the nine-rank system to keep aristocrats in power. One changed the course of history with a single battle; the other wrote bureaucratic paperwork that lasted four centuries. Give me the guy who outsmarted Xerxes over the guy who outorganized a civil service exam any day. Real power isn't in memos.
Data skeptic here: Themistocles didn't build a system—he built a navy with silver from the Laurion mines and a desperate coalition of Greek city-states. Chen Qun created a talent selection framework that lasted 400 years. You can't compare a tactical flash with a structural legacy. The Athenian won a war; the Chinaman designed how a civilization selects its leaders for centuries. Long-term impact? Chen Qun by a mile. Themistocles died serving a Persian king he once defeated—talk about legacy vol
古典学角度:你们把两个完全不同语境的人硬凑一起。狄米斯托克利生活在直接民主的雅典,政治是广场上的口才和海军舰队的博弈;陈群处在士族门阀逐渐成型的汉末,政治是家族同盟和察举制度的改良。陈群的九品中正制其实是在混乱中建立秩序的一种尝试,不是单纯的"官僚主义"。狄米斯托克利被陶片放逐时,陈群却能善终,这背后是两种政治生态的根本差异。
History buff perspective: Chen Qun didn't just "perfect selection"—he solved a crisis. After the Han collapse, meritocracy was a joke; warlords promoted their cousins. The nine-rank system at least created a standardized framework for evaluating talent, even if it degraded later. Themistocles? Brilliant tactician, awful long-term thinker. He built Athens' naval empire, then got exiled, then defected to Persia. Chen Qun built something that outlived his own dynasty. That's real immortality.