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Cleisthenes of Athens leads by 1.9 pts · 2 figures compared

Politician · Ancient

Politician · Ancient
Chen Qun proposed the Nine-rank system for civil service appointments to Cao Pi, the first emperor of Wei. This system ranked candidates based on family background and personal merit, replacing the earlier recommendation system and becoming the standard for official selection in China for centuries.
Chen Qun assisted Cao Pi in drafting the new legal code for the Wei dynasty. He advocated for clearer laws and more consistent punishments, contributing to the legal framework that helped stabilize Wei's early rule.
Chen Qun was appointed Minister over the Masses (Sikong) under Emperor Cao Rui of Wei. In this high-ranking position, he oversaw civil administration and continued to refine the implementation of the Nine-rank system, solidifying its role in Wei governance.
Cleisthenes reorganized the Athenian citizen body into ten new tribes based on demes (local districts), replacing the old four Ionian tribes. This broke the power of aristocratic clans and created a new political structure that formed the basis of Athenian democracy.
Cleisthenes introduced the practice of ostracism, allowing citizens to vote annually to exile a prominent figure for ten years. This mechanism was designed to prevent tyranny and remove threats to democracy. The first ostracism occurred in 487 BC.
Cleisthenes established the Boule, a council of 500 citizens (50 from each tribe) chosen by lot. This body prepared legislation for the Assembly and oversaw daily administration. It replaced the aristocratic Areopagus as the main governing body, expanding citizen participation.
Cleisthenes' rival Isagoras called on Spartan king Cleomenes I to intervene in Athens. The Spartans expelled Cleisthenes and attempted to dissolve the Boule, but the Athenian people revolted, besieging the Acropolis and forcing the Spartans to withdraw. Cleisthenes was recalled.
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要我说陈群比克里斯提尼务实多了。雅典那种抽签选官,简直是外行指导内行。陈群至少知道跑官买官的问题,搞出九品中正制,让本地豪强推荐人才。虽然后来被士族垄断了,但在乱世里,能解决当时的问题就够了。理想主义好,没实力活不下去啊。
You can't compare a quota system to democracy. Cleisthenes actually empowered common citizens through demes and ostracism, while Chen Qun's "Nine-Rank" system just codified aristocratic nepotism. By 300 AD, the Sima clan had turned it into a birthright scheme, producing useless generals like Sima Yan. Democracy has flaws, but at least Athens fought Persia. What did the Nine-Rank system fight? Internal squabbling.