Wanyan Aguda leads by 18.5 pts · 2 figures compared

Emperor · Medieval

Emperor · Medieval
John II of Avesnes inherited the County of Hainaut from his mother Margaret II of Flanders, and later the County of Holland from his father John I of Avesnes. This united the two counties under the Avesnes dynasty.
John II of Avesnes was a candidate for the election of the King of the Romans (Holy Roman Emperor). He failed to secure the throne, losing to Adolf of Nassau, but his candidacy elevated the prestige of the Avesnes dynasty.
John II of Avesnes fought against the Dampierre faction in the War of the Flemish Succession. He secured control over the County of Hainaut and parts of Flanders, strengthening the Avesnes position in the Low Countries.
Aguda's Jurchen forces defeated a Liao army at Hubudagang, marking the first major victory of the rebellion. This battle demonstrated Jurchen military prowess and attracted more followers.
Wanyan Aguda united the Jurchen tribes under his leadership, creating a confederation that rebelled against Liao domination. He organized a disciplined army and began the Jurchen revolt.
Wanyan Aguda proclaimed himself emperor, founding the Jin dynasty. He adopted the Chinese title and began a systematic campaign to conquer the Liao empire.
Aguda's forces captured the Liao supreme capital Shangjing, dealing a severe blow to the Liao dynasty. This victory accelerated the collapse of Liao and solidified Jin control over northern China.
Aguda formed an alliance with the Northern Song dynasty to jointly attack the Liao empire. This alliance, known as the Maritime Alliance, led to the eventual destruction of Liao but later caused conflict between Jin and Song.
Wanyan Aguda died, and his brother Wanyan Wuqimai succeeded him. Aguda's conquests laid the foundation for the Jin dynasty's dominance in northern China.
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Oh come on, John II of Avesnes is getting totally shafted here! This guy became Holy Roman Emperor and the score gives him a 60.3? That's criminal. Aguda was a badass, sure, founded a dynasty and crushed the Liao, but John II had to navigate the viper pit of imperial German politics while fighting off the French-backed Flemish coalition. The Battle of Bulskamp in 1297? That was a masterclass in defensive positioning — he held the line against a larger force and kept Hainaut independent. And don't forget, his son was the famous John of Beaumont who basically ran the Low Countries for decades. Aguda's influence might look bigger on a map, but John II's legacy is way more nuanced. This score reeks of East Asian bias!
Let's talk cavalry tactics. Wanyan Aguda's Jurchen forces were essentially proto-Manchu heavy cavalry — they used laminated bows from saddle with a draw weight of 80-100 pounds, capable of penetrating Liao lamellar armor at 100 meters. At the Battle of Hubudagang in 1120, Aguda had maybe 20,000 horsemen against a Liao army of 70,000-100,000. He feigned retreat twice to break their formation, then hit them with a wedge charge that collapsed their left flank. Casualties: Liao lost 7,000 killed, 40,000 surrendered. That's a 1:2 casualty ratio against a larger force — tactically brilliant. John II's Bulskamp (1297) was a defensive battle where he held a ridge against Flemish militia. Competent but not innovative. Aguda's military score should be 95+ easily.
把完颜阿骨打和约翰二世放在一起比较,本身就有点关公战秦琼的味道。阿骨打是金朝开国皇帝,从完颜部起兵,十年之内灭辽破宋,黄龙府一战彻底扭转东亚格局,这影响力岂是低地国家一个伯爵能比的?西方史学界总爱把神圣罗马帝国的政治操作捧得很高,但阿骨打以两千骑兵起家,硬生生打出一个和南宋对峙的帝国,这种从无到有的创业史,在东亚史里都属顶尖。评分里给约翰二世的军事分92,阿骨打才91,我就想问:他打赢过哪场灭国级战役?黄龙府之战、护步达冈之战,哪一场不是教科书级别的以少胜多?
这套评分体系有个硬伤:军事维度下,阿骨打91对约翰二世92,但仔细看总分里的军事分,阿骨打是79.3,约翰二世只有28.7,这明显自相矛盾。要么是摘要里的91/92是某个子项,要么是权重计算出了问题。我算了一下,假如军事权重占20%,阿骨打的79.3实际对应原始分约85,约翰二世的28.7最多对应40分。黄龙府之战阿骨打两万破辽军十万,斩敌七千,这种数据在骑兵战术史上都算顶级。约翰二世在布尔斯坎普战役的对手只是佛兰德民兵,规模不过万人。建议把原始数据重新核对,否则这个比较的参考价值大打折扣。